Imagine a world without America...

Wisdom comes with the years, I guess.

The USA as a country clearly isn't around long enough to get it.
Yes, US of A, you 'control' the world. So what? Europe did too, right around when you guys were a colony and way before that. At a certain point we learned and said fuck it, and gave all colonies the right to govern their own, as they deserved.

Meanwhile, you became the new bully, still trying to make new colonies up to this day. What did/does it bring you?

One day you'll learn.

These little hubristic exercises of juvenile pleasures extolling the touch and sensation . Ooh its good ! I must be good ! . Perhaps it is and if your lucky you may find an adult to get you a paper and pencil to chart the dead from sea to shining sea to shining sea . America and Americans are so deceived by the concentrations of wealth which intrude in lawless contradictions when -Money- not America is challenged . These generational piles of money which demand that before one little girl is vaccinated or one treaty is honored that the hegemony of old money command the colours of the sky or irrational power equal to irrational demands . Your country , Our privilege . It is not America but the power of great wealth which distorts opportunity and sanctions . Massive drumbeats of death to advance perceived advantages . The trouble with that is as with any old and reactionary structure , they are not reacting to the present situations . So the great learning experience is on the backs of the defenseless , which turns out to be cheaper than thinking or a possessing a conscience . Just a bit of a drag for the survivors of the juvenile masters of power , us the defenseless .

Natives killed by Europeans? Ok, but then:

"George Washington, in 1779, instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack the Iroquois and "lay waste all the settlements around... that the country may not be merely overrun but destroyed," urging the general not to "listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected." Sullivan did as instructed... "

And Thomas Jefferson:

"instructed his Secretary of War that any Indians who resisted American expansion into their lands must be met with "the hatchet." "And... if ever we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe," he wrote, "we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or driven beyond the Mississippi," continuing: "in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them." [...] Indeed, Jefferson's writings on Indians are filled with the straightforward assertion that the natives are to be given a simple choice - to be "extirpate[d] from the earth" or to remove themselves out of the Americans' way."

The hard fact is that the extiction of the indians continued long after the Unites States was born. This also is the U.S as we know it.

@ pvc

This is to easy. The natives were killed by europeans who were in the process of conquering a new continent in their old-fashioned style. This was not yet the U.S. as we know it.
The civil war is the feudal South(european style) against the industrial North.
The major growing problems of the U.S. were imported european problems which the founding fathers solved by their marvellous Constitution, but it took time to take root.

america can stay and even the americans, but put a good government there, that would help a lot...

@traveller: o yes, the americans where very friendly for their natives and there were no civil wars. Violence is inherent in man, not in ethnicity or immigrant status.

@ traveller
http://www.homeoffice.gov.u...

And apart from the fact that I agree that the figures for some countries are a mere estimate, my point is that in a country that values personal freedom so much, it doesn't take a whole lot to end up behind bars.

@Luc: "Magnificent, undercooled tongue-in-cheek humor!"

Are you sure it came from herself and not from an unemployed PG Wodehouse-epigone?

@Ivan: and Al got an Oscar for it, can you believe it?!

I agree with Btb here. This is on a level with an Al Gore movie.

Maggie no humor?

"You turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning".

And recently, when here bronze statue was unveiled: "I would have preferred iron, but bronze will do".

Magnificent, undercooled tongue-in-cheek humor!

my point was that these people have no humour and their analysis is stoopid.

One thing is sure: these people who made this have the wrong sense of humour and are just... wrong :-) Flush it!

We would all pay 80% taxes, have no tv, only nobles would drive cars, we would all wear lederhosen, probably no electricity but we'll have electricity bills from the state-controlled monopolist, japan would be the same as mongolia, no elevators, main communication channel would be the 'pigeonnet' and we would have this conversation in german or russian at the steel factory while being drunk.

Wat een ongelofelijke egotrippers zijn die Amerikanen toch.

En een oorlog met veel minder geweld, oorlog en CO2 uitstoot! ;-)