Bush in Brussels (2) - Quotes and images


George Bush is about to venture bravely into darkest Belgium, and beyond into Europe's interior. For the moment, the natives are friendlier than before, but those grins can be deceptive. Last week Condoleezza Rice buttered the natives up nicely. Next week George Bush braves the wilds of Brussels at the start of a European tour of his own, in order, as his new secretary of state put it in Paris, to continue our conversation. How reassuring that the United States and Europe are conversing again, not shouting as they did before and after the war in Iraq.

Editorial in The Economist




Bush and Verhofstadt during a previous visit in Brussels, June 2001.
It is the first time that an American president visits Europe after his reelection. It is generally expected that he will elaborate on the new US-European relations. The visit is very important to restart the alliance after a tumultuous period.

Guy Verhofstadt, prime minister of Belgium.



Belgium is everything and more. Belgium is an energetic and open country, and better than what you read and see about it. Even the waffles, the chocolate and the beer are better than what one would have expected.

Tom Korologos, US ambassador to Belgium


In Europe too, a lot has changed after the US elections. Bush is no longer the man that arrived in the White House rather by coincidence. Now, Bush is speaking for a majority of American voters. Speakers against the US invasion of Iraq are showing their goodwill by coming to Bush: French president Jacques Chirac in Brussels and German Chanceller Gerhard Schröder in Mainz, where Bush will visit US troops. Bush sees the (unusually long) visit as the message. But must Europe be satisfied with catchy phrases? [...] Until now, there are no concrete indications that Bush II is more than a facelifted version of Bush I. If such indications don't show up during this visit, it will have been an idle effort.

Evita Neefs, editorialist in Belgian newspaper De Standaard.


They're great eyes.

George W. Bush at the end of an interview with Greet De Keyzer, correspondent in the US for Flemish state-run television VRT (soundtrack with stills). Later on, she seemed to be very proud of this compliment by the president. Apparently she did not understand the sophisticated pun that Dubya was making on her name. Greet De Keyzer, great eyes. Got it, Greet? Now who's the dumbass?

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#5780

Jesus

 

For Justice, Freedom and Democracy: STOP BUSH NOW !

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#5779

Jesus

 

For the victims of the Iraq-Tsunami: STOP BUSH NOW !

#5651

TrueGrit

 

Thanks for clearing up the "great eyes" comment. My wife said "ooohhh, George is gonna get it from Laura" when we saw the clip on CNN. I thought it was a little cheeky coming from the President and wondered how far the media would run with it.

And here I am. Nice blog!

#5523

Barbara

 

W. The private sources would be foundations, corporations, and private donors/subscribers. Some of the biggest foundations are names that are familiar world-wide: the MacArthur Foundation, Wm. and Flora Hewlett Ftn, etc. Big corporate underwriters include ExxonMobil, Dell, GE, among many more. These are national; individual donors tend to give to cultural charities close to home and a considerable amount of money is raised from local business as well. There is a book published every year that is used by professionals that lists all of the private foundations in the US. I've used it- it's 1400 pp, with 12 entries per page on average, as I recall.

I believe that generosity is a learned value, one that Europeans and Americans share. But the socialist mindset wants the state to be the expression of the individual's values: giving to the poor is a good thing, supporting the arts is a good thing, medical research is a good thing- let the government fund these with my taxes. It's much tidier and more comprehensive, so the thinking goes, to do it that way. It also relieves the individual of responsiblity, something which I think saps the good from the giving, for both the giver and the recipient. It is actually debasing, I think. In the arts, this approach does not foster creativity. This also diverts capital into non-productive areas. Foundations are fundamentally going concerns that invest capital and spend the income from those investments on charitable pursuits. Government is the great 'value subtractor" it is a capital sinkhole and generally a drag on the economy. Government takes your money and doles out a fraction of it to causes you may or may not deem worthy.

This dovetails with something I wrote about in my blog (shameless self-promotion alert). The link below is not a permalink- I'm still trying to figure that out. Scroll down to What Gives and Defining Generosity, if you're interested.

I hope this doesn't sound like I'm talking down to anyone or that I think "our system is the best." It certainly has its flaws but I believe in the power of choice.

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#5515

Arlington

 

I thought so too. Still, you haven't answered my other question: are you another friend of hers (and I didn't mean 'just' to sound deprecating)?

#5513

JVS

 

@Arlington: unfortunately I live too far from DC to pop in for free drinks. Arlington, VA is much closer :-)

#5510

Arlington

 

@JVS: thanks for the information. Tell us, bud, are you gonna get free drinks at the spot for being so helpful in spreading the name? Or are you just another friend of hers?

#5508

JVS

 

Now that Greet De Keyzer is in the full picture here, know that her boyfriend, Bart Vandaele, owns the Belga Café in Washington DC.

So Washingtonians (and Marylanders), if you would like to see those "great eyes" in real, this might be your best chance. And apparently the Belgian food there is eatable.

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#5507

W.

 

@Barbara: Could you detail those 'private sources funding culture for 90%' in your place more in detail?

#5502

Barbara

 

BTW Greet looks like a younger, slimmer, more surprised Hillary Clinton in this photo.

#5501

Barbara

 

@W. Culture doesn't "fend for itself" in the US. There are tax advantages to creating foundations and a strong sense of personal responsiblity for doing good for the community. There is also prestige in underwriting cultural activities: there is a lot of institutional and social support for charitable giving of all kinds in the US. In another post someone mentioned, jokingly, that Americans did'nt have the stomach for a 65% marginal tax rate. Joke or not I hope it will ever be thus. Capital is left much more in the hands of private individuals here, and strangely (to people who think that the only way to ensure anything is through government intervention) culture survives. The town where I live is a great example. Large university, lots of high tech and a bohemian (really hippie) subculture. Total population met area, about a million. And yet we have two of the best non-commercial radio stations in the US, and the best "Public TV" station anywhere, and an internationally syndicated music show that is produced by said PBS station. We have an opera (very limited season), a symphony..the list goes on. Funding for this stuff comes 90% from private sources. Don't you think that there is enough intrinsic appreciation of culture and creativity in the Dutch-speaking lowlands, or in Belgium or in whatever geographical/cultural area you define to replicate this? The reason you can't (now) is because of the underlying distribution of capital and , secondarily because of the mindset I mentioned above. I remember when the big push began about 15 years ago to stop govenment funding of PBS- the crying and carrying on! And yet programming is more dynamic now than it was then. It was like being weaned from the big teat. Awful at the time but, boy, solid food is much better!

#5490

dof

 

> when a soap like 'Thuis' e.g. is referred to in French Belgian forums as an example of 'le repli sur soi' of Flemish society.

Yeah, well, trust the Frenchies to look for (and find) fascist subtext in anything vaguely Flemish.

#5487

W.

 

@Dof: I wasn't talking about you. You're probably an 'active' viewer, 'looking for surprises, for the extraordinary'. So you probably don't need generalistic stations like VRT or VTm. Besides, there's a lot more to local production than soaps. And please don't act that disdainful towards soaps. You're just defining yourself that way, in stead of saying something about soaps. Just compare the sense of identity of the Flemish to the sense of identity of the French-speaking Belgians (non-existing, or very fragmented). I put it to you that Flemish television has been the main identity-building tool in half a century, and that fiction (which is a lot more than soaps, but soaps are part of it, and they deserve consideration) has played an important role in it). French-speaking Belgium never has gone to any trouble to produce its own fiction. French-speaking Belgium nearly limits itself to consume imported culture.

Jumping from soaps to 'its the people that watch VRT that are brainwashed with tranzi ideology' is also an extreme shortcut, when a soap like 'Thuis' e.g. is referred to in French Belgian forums as an example of 'le repli sur soi' of Flemish society. So not tranzi at all.

May be the economical aspect will help you off your disdain. Producing stuff like 'Familie' or 'Flikken' or Matroesjka's' requires know-how and capital (hundreds of millions of old BEF) and very specialized personnel. Only dynamic enterprises manage to maintain themselves in this risky field.

#5480

dof

 

> If there is a strong sense of identity in Flanders, it's there because local television stations VRT and VTM offer so many local productions helping to define that identity.

I haven't watched Flemish soaps since they featured Mike Verdrengh, but I don't feel less Fleming for it. Quite the contrary, it's the people that watch VRT that are brainwashed with tranzi ideology.

#5475

W.

 

@Barbara: the facts that things are done one way in the States, doesn't yet mean they should be done the same way elsewhere. May be public television in a market of 270 m people (280? 290? It seems to grow by 10 m every month) can be funded by private means, but Flanders is only as big as a hanky. If you drive from Bangkok Airport to Bangkok Centre you probably pass as many Thais under the fly-over as you'll find Flemish in all of Flanders. I shudder at the idea that culture should be left to fend completely for itself in this country. It would go up in a puff. The theatre or classical music for example can't survive by themselves either. Neither can even daily papers. Without public money all television in Flanders would look like its local niche stations Ka2 or VT4: just hatches to pass trashy American action series through. Television would no longer reflect this country. If there is a strong sense of identity in Flanders, it's there because local television stations VRT and VTM offer so many local productions helping to define that identity. And commercial VTM offers so many local productions because it has to keep up with public VRT. Without VRT VTM would just sit back and score without having to exert itself. So please keep your approach for your own market. Of course Lvb will agree with you all the way. He's so starry-eyed about whatever's blown this way over the pond.

#5472

Joe

 

I will call my chicken range - is often full of chicken sh*t - the George W. Bush Chicken Alley. Happy now?

#5464

LVB

 

@Michael: "there is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER you will find a Nixon Avenue or a Reagan Street, much less a Bush Alley."

Nail on the head. The most recent occurence of a Republican president in a Belgian street name is probably the "Generaal Eisenhowerlaan". Considering the fact that the man died almost 36 years ago, that says something. By the way, there are several "Clinton Parks" in Belgium. In Roeselare there is a business park that is called that way.

#5462

Joe

 

Outlaw, it may look generous of you to quote Greet's words, but you rape them with your stupid neocon prick.

I propose to let Greet speak for herself instead of you, little mouse.

#5456

Outlaw Mike

 

Joe said: "Greet is really great. She has been living in the USA, spoke with many big shots there, and she understands perfectly well the American spirit and society."

Missuz De Keyzer has indeed spent an awful lot of time in The States. She bundled her observations in a book:

"Amerikanen. Wie zijn ze, wat willen ze, wat kunnen ze?": http://www.thehou...

Which means: "Americans. Who are they, what do they want. What can they?"

It is a merciless propaganda pamplet against the Bush Administration, in which she states that after 9/11 Americans have become paranoid warmongering idiots full of vengeance feelings who go to war driven by a hateful ideology. Since Missuz De Keyzer is a perfect example of the politically correct morally superior sophisticated post-modernist atheist crowd, I assume she means by that "hateful religion" Christianity. For her the whole Bush Admin, the Prez up front, is a bunch of intolerant Bible-Thumping arrogant red-necks. Four years ago Greet reported on the Republican Convention and in her hate for W did not fail to include numerous shots of hobo's, white trash, trailer parks and dirt-poor neighborhoods. The underlying message was as transparent as Alexandra Kerry's see-through blouse: with Bush in the White House you get this. One small detail Greet overlooked: Clinton had been in office for eight years.

The hatred shown for Republican presidents and their Administrations is a persistent plague in Belgium and is also no recent phenomenon. One of many circumstances proving this is, for instance, the naming of streets, squares, tunnels etc... While in Belgium you will regularly find a Roosevelt Square, a Kennedy Avenue, a Kennedy Tunnel, even a Clinton Park (in Erembodegem near Aalst), there is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER you will find a Nixon Avenue or a Reagan Street, much less a Bush Alley. Zero, zilch, nada. All thanks to self-righteous people with a mindset as narrow as Greet De Keyser.

But don't think Greet reserves her distaste only for Republicans, since you, ladies and gentlemen, are still all lumped together as uneducated, grossly overweight, dumb, schizophrenic, sexually frustrated nuts.

#5454

Barbara

 

Luc: Yes, you can and should. In the United States We have so-called Public Braodcast Stations that are commercial-free, technically, and used to be funded substantially by Government grants. The trend over the past two decades, however has been to reduce the government portion of the funding to virtually nil. The result? The quality of programming in most cases hasn't suffered because consumers who like the kind of high-brow (and by the way, very left-leaning and multi-culti) entertainment that PBS offers are willing to pay for it and funding for various productions is available from private foundations. It is true that 3 or 4 times a year we have "plegde breaks" where the programming is geared to special events to get viewers to pony up. It works but is annoying, of course.

I am a member of both my local public radio atation and television station and a non-commercial classical staions, meaning I pay to keep these on the air. I am not innundated with commercials, and I am not forced by the government to pay for programs I disagree with. I stiil wonder why the liberal mindset is that if the money comes from "the government" that makes the news and information you're getting less biased than from any other source. Surely there is a mountain of evidence that the opposite is true.

BTW, I thought the urinal sticker deal was hilarious, although I imagine in the US they would not be confined to the restrooms. There must be some happy janitors in Brussels: it's been my experience that when you (males) have something to concentrate on, your aim is better.

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#5448

LVB

 

@Pete: I correct my previous statement about the 80% of VRT funding that comes from the State. VRT has an annual budget of 370 million euro. It has own revenues of 120 million coming from radio commercials, the rest comes from state funding. So it's approximately 2/3 state funding, 1/3 commercial income. I still call this 'state-funded'.

#5446

LVB

 

@Pete: VRT is indeed an 'incorporated' body. But there are 2 main factors that distinguish it from a normal corporation: as you pointed out, the State is its only shareholder. Moreover, it is a 'corporation of public law' (in Dutch: 'vennootschap van publiek recht', in French: 'société de droit public'). VTM is a corporation of private law.

You are correct in your statement, but I stand by my term 'state-run television' until the State has no longer a majority interest in VRT and until it becomes a corporation of private law.

You don't say it explicitly, but I guess you prefer the term 'public television'. This is not only a politically correct eufemism for the state television. In he US, public television PBS gets most of its funds from private gifts. VRT gets 80% of its funds from the taxpayer and only 20% from radio commercials (VRT tv is commercial-free). This strong financial dependency from the state warrants in my humble opinion the term 'state-run television'. Without the state, VRT in its current form would not be able to continue its operations. Oh well, maybe 'state-funded' would be more precise then 'state-run'.

#5444

Pete Periwinkle

 

'Flemish state-run television VRT' sounds a bit overdone. It's the term its ailing completely-commercial competitor VTM likes to use to make it look a bit shady. VRT nowadays is a 'vennootschap' (a company) with 'aandeelhouders' (shareholders)- the only joke is the Flemish region is the sole shareholder. - But if the Flemish region decides to sell its shares, it'll be a completely commercial outfit. VRT used to be manned by civil servants. They've become a small minority and brainstorms are being held about how they could be tricked subtly into disappearing completely, one hears. The fact that the state does not really run VRT may be demonstrated by the heartburn nearly all politicians manifest as a consequence of the fact they can't influence it anymore like they used to in the good old times. Even the VRT's politically defined board nog longer has a lot of influence. Nearly all it can do nowadays is watch as the VRTs top management goes its own way. Management can do so, as it's only bound to fulfill the (mostly quantitative) terms of a 5-year overall contract between the Flemish government and VRT. But there's light at the end of the tunnel for the political apparatus: a new 5-year contract is being negotiated and a lot of jostling is going on off-screen to restore political influence and to curb VRT's success so VTM's market share will rise again, its advertisers will return and its profits will soar.

#5436

Joe

 

Sophisticated pun from Bush? Is the same as a world record pole vaulting by the pope.

Anyhow, whatever Dof and Outlaw, renowned right-wing assholes in Belgium, pretend here (look for yourself), Greet is really great. She has been living in the USA, spoke with many big shots there, and she understands perfectly well the American spirit and society.

Greet, we'll miss you during your sabbatical.

#5434

dof

 

More likely W was referring to the large portions of her eyeballs that are visible, making Greet look like a Druggie or sufferer from Hyperthyroidism.

#5430

Outlaw Mike

 

"Got it, Greet? Now who's the dumbass?"

Greet De Zeyker, eh, Greet De Keyzer!!!! Greet De Keyzer is the dumblass, eh, the dumbass!!! YEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!